The aim stated by Senators Rockefeller, Feinstein and Levin, for the second phase of the work by the Committee to Investigate Pre-Iraq Intelligence is to "assess" whether the intelligence "justified" the public statements made by the Bush Administration. It presumes that the members of this committee can, and will, apply some consistent unbiased standard to the correspondence between the certainty and uncertainty about what we knew and what administration officials said. They're apparently going to close the gap between natural and scientific language that Habermas and Gadamer left open. That'll be fun.

But, why do we need a Senate Intelligence Committee to go through these kinds of heuristic deliberations? What makes their rule of thumb better than my rule of thumb, as a citizen, concerning the public statements of our officials? Doesn't their hubris imply a whopping condescension toward those of us in the Peanut Gallery? Why is Carl Levin's opinion about the President's Niger statement better than mine? Will he take into account the fact that Wilson's own debrief with the CIA supported concerns that Iraq was interested in buying uranium, and that the intelligence agencies of the UK and France still maintain that Iraq was seeking such a buy? Or will he just gauge the statement against the common meme that Wilson was truthful in his NYT dispatch, and that he has adequately debunked that whole yellow-cake myth by sipping a little sweet tea in Africa? Anyone taking bets?

And doesn't the urgency placed on this report by the unprecedented grandstanding of the Democrats also imply a profoundly statist deference toward the black-box hermeneutic/analytic skills of a group of high-placed non-experts? Next thing we know they'll be proposing to re-write the New Testament in order to make it more "accurate." They could sure help us out by "assessing" the extent to which the certainties and uncertainties about the Resurrection justify the many public statements about it by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. About time they got around to that, dontcha think?

And how much is this Report from Mount Olympus going to cost us, anyway? Couldn't we just siphon that to the victims of Katrina, Rita, and Wilma? Frankly I'd rather have a comprehensive audit of FEMA. That would make some sense.

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Fifteen miles from the Gulf Coast we arrive at a small town where we will work for the weekend. The devastation is surreal. It is like a war zone.

Boats on top of houses. Houses on top of cars. Everywhere there is garbage. Here and there a space has been cleared for a temporary FEMA trailor to park.

Power lines are working, but on a given block perhaps only a quarter of residents are back. Living in trailors, living in tents.

"How deep was the water?" I ask an old African-American preacher living in a tent across the street from his church and next to an open cess-pool. "Eighteen feet deep over yonder," he says.

It was saltwater. We are fifteen miles from the Gulf.

"Did you get out?" I ask the oldtimer.

"The Lord blessed me. I climbed into the top of that oak tree."

He was in that tree for eight hours as 175 mile an hour wind--- with all the dibris it carries--pelted him.

I am shocked that he is alive. What is more shocking is that his little great-grandson was in the tree with him. His granddaughter was in the tree with them. She is nine months pregnant. She has the baby the next day.

Two more houses and the story is the same. The middle-age woman, sitting on her four-wheeler that she has somehow managed to get running again, sat out the storm in another giant oak tree. Her RV is neatly stacked on top of a neighbor's Pontiac.

"Why did you stay?" I ask.

"I wasn't going to leave my animals. Not my horse."

The horse swam under the tree she was in several hours later. The water swept out to sea as fast as it came in. The horse survived somehow and came home the next day. One of her dogs was not so lucky.

Spray paint everywhere and on everything.

"Janet LaGrange and family alive and safe."

"House of broken dreams."

Orange X's on everything, signaling the house or car has been cleared. 0's in one corner of the X--no bodies.

Mostly names and addresses painted in two foot lettering on the sides of what were once houses. Forwarding addresses, cell phone numbers, and messages to neighbors spray painted on anything that looks like a flat surface.

"God Bless America. We will rebuild"

Done clearing debris for the day, we head to the coast.

The closer we get the more the war zone analogy becomes apt. Where we were working it was mortar and Howitzer bombardment. Three miles from the beach it is heavy ordinance. It is like the Navy decided to shell the town from some unseen WWII battleship. The once touristy town is almost no more. Traffic lights in working order already, but almost no traffic.

Half a mile from the beach: napalm. All of the trees either down or dead.

The beach. Fine white sand. Looking at the Gulf of Mexico for the first time in my life I am tempted to jump in.

I turn around, my back to the water. Driveways. Dozens of them. They lead to nowhere. This close to the water there is almost no debris. It is clear and reasonably clean. The houses have all been washed out to sea or are sitting as piles some blocks in.

We should have camped here on the beach. The devestation has made it beautiful.

A six man crew with six chainsaws. We cleared nearly nearly 50 trees from a dozen homes in two days.

To finish the job of just clearing the devestation will require more people. Many more people. Thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands of people.

And even with hundreds of thousands of more people, it will take years. Many years.

Sorry, no pictures. We are not on vacation and I will not make these people's shattered lives a voyeuristic spectacle.

Addendum: Money will not be enough. The Red Cross is providing food. FEMA is providing shelter. Churches are providing clothing and other support.

What is needed is more bodies on the ground. There are simply not enough people to do the work necessary to clean up, let alone rebuild. If you've donated money to one of dozens of charities, thank you. However, donating your time, skills, and labor would be so much more valuable at this time.

It is really simple to help out. Get four to six of your friends together in a truck, bring chainsaws, shovels, rakes, wheelbarrows (or heavy equipment if you have it) and head on down to the coast anywhere between New Orleans and Florida. Bring tents, there will be no hotel rooms to sleep in. Bring food, it took us an hour to find a restaraunt open and the Wal Mart closed at 7 p.m. because they don't have enough employees to keep it open.

There will be no trouble finding people to help. It is that bad.

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We had some storms blow through here last night. We had lightning and wind and some rain. I love storms and slept like a rock. No damage here but I get up this morning to find a tornado struck the Evansville-Newburgh, Indiana. From reports on WTVW it was pretty bad. CNN is also covering.

CNN:Adam Groupey, deputy director of emergency management for Evansville and Vanderburgh County, said the tornado touched down about 2 a.m. in Henderson County, Kentucky, then hit an Evansville mobile home park before moving into Warrick County.

Here is the list of shelters and phone numbers WTVW is posting this AM for people needing shelter or attempting to locate family members.

Shelters Set Up Phone Numbers by WTWW: (Note southern Indiana area code is 812)

* Deaconess Hospital -- 450-5000.

* St. Mary`s Hospital -- 485-4496.

* St. Mary`s Warrick -- 897-4800.

* National Guard Armory in Evansville -- 469-4020.

* Henderson, KY shelter -- 270-827-7700.

* Zion Baptist Church -- 853-8828.

*Castle High School -- 305-1926.(moving to Crossroads Church at 3:00pm due to lack of power).

Shelters Set Up To Assist in Relief by WTWW.* The Vanderburgh County Red Cross has set up a shelter at their main office just off of the Lloyd Expressway.

* The Warrick County Red Cross has a temporary shelter in the south gym at Castle High School. Since there is no power at the school, the shelter will be moved to Crossroads Christian Church at 3 p.m. today.

* The Epworth United Methodist Church at the corner of Epworth and Lincoln has set up a shelter. They have breakfast available, and will have soup and sandwiches later today. They will also have showers available.

 Souls Harbor Church will be serving meals this afternoon from 1:30 to 5 p.m. today. The church is located at 2126 Cass Avenue.

Note : The East Side Wal Mart and National Guard Armory are also taking people. Diapers were noted to be in short supply at at least one shleter.

The Vanderburgh Co. CoronerÂ’s Office is confirming 12 dead, more have been reported. A state of emergency has been declared in Warrick County IN. The National Guard has arrived in affected areas as well as much private equipment & local law enforcement to dig through houses in the search for Victims. The weather is good this AM which should help. Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels is expected to arrive this afternoon. Eville's airport is on the North side so no problem there.

Others: Jay at Stop the ALCU and In the Angora.

Other Eville Area Outlets.

WFIE
WEHT
WEVV
Evansville Courier & Press

Update: So far confirmed 22 deaths. The path of the storm took it over Ellis Park Raceway killing several race horses and then Eastward leaving a path as wide as 500 yards and 35 to 40 miles long. The storm missed the denser areas of the city but struck smaller towns and suburbs to the south and east. Mrs. Stella Rawlings and her husband stepped out so see the entire area around their home destroyed The elderly couple credited their minor damage and tremendous luck to the Lord

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I got a tip from A Person in Florida that Aaron's:cc is putting together a "Blogopoly-style playing card in a commemorative end-of-year blogger alter-ego meme." Make sense? I'll let Aaron explain:

I'm taking nominations via trackbacks to this post. I'll be seeding the nominations with some of the obvious candidates.

Yes, you can self-nominate via a single trackback, but give a good (based on merit or humor is best) reason why you should be in the running. "My blog [your blog name here] should be eligible in the [suit name] suit poll because [reason here]." Something that may give me a visual idea to riff on is best.

If you can get a Higher Being, Mortal Human or Playful Primate to nominate you, 10 votes will be added to your vote total.

Link-whoring? Yeah, a bit. But how much are a piece of custom photoshopping unique to your blog, a good laugh and bragging rights worth?

The sample Queen of Hearts and King of Diamonds are NOT the final drafts. Final photoshops will be a complete unique card.

Nominations end at 9pm PDT the night before each poll.

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Paris is Burning (and it's citizenry) Part Trois

What do decades of idle submission and spineless obiesance under the guise of tolerance reap?

PARIS (AFP) - Gangs of youths again stoned police and set cars ablaze as France's worst rioting in more than a decade raged for its eighth straight night, sparking fears that racial and social divisions were fuelling growing violence.

They have also taken on an increasingly dangerous tone, with buckshot fired at riot squad vans -- and prosecutors revealing that a handicapped woman was deliberately set on fire the night before.

According to prosecutors Friday, the 56-year-old woman was unable to get off a bus targeted by a Molotov cocktail late Wednesday in the northern Paris suburb of Sevran. She was allegedly doused with petrol by one youth, then others threw a flaming rag on her. Rescued by the driver, she was taken to hospital with severe burns to 20 percent of her body.

A fireman was also being treated for burns to his face received from a Molotov cocktail thrown earlier in the week.

And they presume to lecture us.

UPDATE So much for the prevailing narrative of sponateous and uncoordinated acts by poor french youths who just want jobs.

PARIS - Worsening urban unrest reached central Paris for the first time early Sunday and youths set ablaze shops, businesses, schools and nearly 1,300 cars from France's Mediterranean resort towns to the German border.

Police also found a gasoline bomb-making factory in a rundown building in Evry, a southern Paris suburb that contained 150 explosives, more than 100 bottles, gallons of fuel and hoods for hiding rioters' faces, Jean-Marie Huet, a senior Justice Ministry official, said Sunday.
"Rioters attacked us with baseball bats," Philippe Jofres, a deputy fire chief from the area told France-2 television. "We were attacked with pickaxes. It was war."

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Following up on a previous post, U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. ruled that there is "no First Amendment right to bare breasts on the grounds of the state Capitol" and refused to restrain California Highway Patrol officers from arresting the 'Breasts Not Bombs' babes if they take their shirts off during a protest on Monday. Sherry Glaser, a member of BNB and its spokeswoman, said the group would have to discuss what they'll do now that they know their arrests are likely.

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If we put this article which goes backwards through time into a forward chronology, it seems to say: A US official said to al-Sharq al-Wasat that Yemen is withdrawing its military liason from Centcom's Tampa Command Center which hosts representatives from 62 countries.

The media spokesman at the Yemeni embassy in the US responded that Yemen's two representatives are still on active duty at their posts at Centcom.

Moreover, the officials will naturally return to Sana'a once their terms are over, according to Albasha. “This does not mean in any way that Yemen is withdrawing from the global alliance against terrorism,” he concluded.

So the Yemeni regime is potentially withdrawing from the command center but not the alliance. Otay. The regime has recently issued repeated statements in support of Iran and Syria. And bi-lateral ties with Iran have increased markedly in the last months. Trade relations with North Korea are good. Salah is the one Arab leader who sided with Saddam in Gulf One resulting in billions in economic losses for the Yemeni economy.

Maybe some one at Centcom asked to take a peek into the Suleiman caves where Yahya al-Houthi told me that General Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar used chlorine gas against the Houthis, which if true contravines the chemical weapons convention Yemen ratified in 2000, regardless of all other circumstances. But I'm *sure* the regime would welcome inspections by any parties concerned about the chemical weapons allegations and thus dispel the rumor once and for all. So that cant be it.

Maybe it is an money saving measure after all. I mean after the Yemeni regime closed one embassy (Romania), what else is there to cut but the military liason with the US?

After all Saleh just said in a major speech: “We, in the Republic of Yemen, re-emphasize our insistence and determination to continue exerting efforts in order to consolidate our partnership with the international community to support efforts to confront terrorism and add to the tangible successes that our country had achieved in this regard with the cooperation with our brotherly and friendly nations.”

So naturally in Saleh-land the way to consolidate the partnership is to withdraw the liason.

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Nasar is an operative thought to be involved in the planning of the Madrid train bombings.

CNN: The U.S. counter terrorism officials confirmed the man in custody was Nasar, a 47-year-old Syrian who also has Spanish citizenshipÂ… Â…One of the counter terrorism officials cautioned against overstating his importance in the terror network, saying Nasar was a "background" guy with a "number of contacts." "Nasar is best known for his writings," the official said. But the official added, "We're better off that he's captured."

Background info on Nasar.

TKB: Biography: Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, also known as Abu Musab al-Suri and Umar Abd al-Hakim, is a wanted man in both the United States and Spain. Nasar was born in 1959 in Syria where he joined the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood, a fundamentalist organization, was heavily repressed by the Syrian government, prompting Nasar to write a book that would make him famous in Islamist circles, “The Syrian Experiment.” In the book, written under the pseudonym Abu Musab Suri, Nasar issued a call to action against the ruling Asad regime in Syria. He has also written under the pseudonym Umar Abd al-Hakim.

Hooray Let's Dance the Night Away.

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(Bridgeport, Connecticut) In September, 30-year-old Tammy Imre (pic) pleaded guilty to a charge of risk of injury to a minor in accordance with an agreement which eliminated the need for the 8-year-old victim to have to testify in court.

Today, Imre was sentenced to six years in prison and ten years probation along with being required to register as a sex offender.

From NewsDay.com:

Imre admitted engaging in sexual acts with the boy but said it stopped short of sexual intercourse.

"When this was first in the paper, it was almost a joke, because of the role reversal," prosecutor Cornelius Kelly said. "It conjures up thoughts of, 'Oh, that's a young man's dream.' But as we stand here today, we still don't know what damage this will have on the young boy's self-esteem, his interpersonal relationships. We don't know what damage the young girl suffered."

Imre's daughter, who witnessed some of the acts, is now in foster care, authorities said.

"She has hurt a lot of innocent people, including her own daughter, who not only lost her mother, but her best friend, who was my son," the boy's mother told the judge.

Is six years enough? Turn it around to be a 30-year-old man mixing it up with an 8-year-old girl. Now, ask if six years is enough. In my opinion, six years is not even close to being enough. Frankly, though, given the customary leniency that courts show toward female pedophiles, I'm surprised she got that much.

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1 Thank God the little boy didn't knock her up! The way the system works, they would have required him to pay child support to this wacko for the next 18 years.

Posted by: joe at November 04, 2005 08:15 PM (KjTic)

2 Ah, back to the Jawa Report.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 08:22 PM (ZaAd/)

3 Funny , that aint much. How much would I get if if bottomknocked an 8 year old boy

Posted by: FIlthy ALlah at November 04, 2005 09:27 PM (bikuR)

4 Thats disgusting. She deserved much more jail time. Its a total violation. Eight? oh please.

Posted by: Jane at November 04, 2005 10:14 PM (ywZa8)

5 I'm sick and tired of the judicial system allowing these creeps to plead out for any reason. Why don't they allow videotaped testimony for young children in sexual assault cases? That way the child wouldn't have the trauma of being in a court room facing his accuser. I'm sorry, but I think if one of my little ones were in that situation, I'd make them testify and just continue the therapy. All these kids are gonna grow up one day and look at their parents and say "I was already traumatized. Why didn't you make me testify so s/he could die in prison instead of getting off with a slap on the wrist?!" I'd be pissed wouldn't you?!

Posted by: Impatient Girl at November 04, 2005 10:18 PM (ftixA)

6 Eight is a bit young. Now 12 years old would have been a different matter. I wanted my english teacher, Mrs. Arce, something bad when I was 12 years old. That was a fine piece of horseflesh. It's not as bad for boys to get molested by their (female) teacher as it is for girls to. It's every little boys dream actually. Cmon guys, admit it.

Posted by: dcb at November 05, 2005 01:10 AM (8e/V4)

7 Criminalizing drugs and sex is what makes people criminals. Since the sadists enjoy punishing folks and seeing the suffer it will be difficult to see change. We have to oust the sadists and vote in rational legislators. America is supposed to be the land of second chances.

Posted by: gw at November 05, 2005 05:21 AM (DFQHK)

8 The prison time is definitely not enough. Taking advantage of an 8 year old is just sick. There can be no defense for it. It seems as though since the LeTourneau case there has been an increase in number of these cases - at least one per year. I can't come up with an explanation for it. Is it that it was always fairly common? Also these cases tend to involve teachers who already have families.

Posted by: Graeme at November 05, 2005 05:38 AM (WLPYW)

9 At least she did not teach at a Catholic School like so many of the others we've heard of the last few years.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 05, 2005 06:56 AM (R3FcZ)

10 Sixteen? Not a crime, but maybe she should find a different job. Eight? She's a child molester. Send her to jail.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 05, 2005 07:03 AM (QriEg)

11 How in the hell does a woman have sex with a 8 year old. I thought I started early at twelve. Don't believe I could have sex at 8. The woman is sick. At 8 the boy was molested. At twelve he would have been a hero to all the other twelve year olds.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 07:19 AM (ZaAd/)

12 Crazy persons what with these crazy persons whats becoming of the world?

Posted by: sandpiper at November 05, 2005 08:23 AM (slksM)

13 8 years old or 12 years old, the level of mental maturity isn't much different. Just because a young boy has begun to have sexual thoughts or inclinations doesn't mean he's mentally prepared to act them out, or be acted upon by an adult, and come out of the ordeal with a stable psyche.

Posted by: Oyster at November 06, 2005 08:17 AM (YudAC)

14 Oh I was prepared to act them out allright. Just ask the local Baptist preachers 15 year old daughter. The girl matured early and taught me much. Shame I wasn't the first.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 06, 2005 09:00 PM (ZaAd/)

15 This entire story has me turned on!!! Does anyone know if she has a video of them porking? I would pay BIG bucks for it.... I would settle in with some booze and some popcorn and watch that lucky little halfwit pump his puny, hairless sex organ into that nutty slut!!!! But, I bet that little creep orgasmed after four pumps... forget the video, I don't want to get cheated!

Posted by: brainbuster at November 26, 2005 04:44 AM (0U4Uv)

16 this is extremely disgusting and inappropriate, how can anyone have that kind of interest in having sex with someone's who's 8?..it's very disturbring that someone can be sexually interested in someone that young, and then to actually do things sexual is remarkably sickening and an adult doing something to someone's who's 12 is still sick and very immoral and that kind of behavior is awful and even if a preteen or younger teen would be interested in someone older, it's still not right and not ok and very immoral and a lot of people don't care about morality of one's actions and having sex around 12 is still quite young and some people attitude's towards young people having sex is very demeaning to our society and a lot of preteens/teens make bad moral decisions and have degrading behavior, and she should've had a minimum of 20 years for doing something that sick and courts are too lenient toward female pedophiles and toward most sexual criminals anyways and they should know that this kind of behavior should never occur and some people probably don't deserve 2nd chances if they do something so disgusting and the US gives too many 2nd chances to people who have sickening behavior, and she's going to be out in just 6 years and she may find that boy when he's 14 or other boys that age, or she's at least going to have a free life after only just 6 years when she shouldn't after doing something that despicable..how in the world can she have that interest and want to do such things with someone that young?..ugh!

Posted by: Chris at December 02, 2005 01:17 PM (WIvD8)

17 "...long kisses could be substituted if they couldn't have daily sex." Sounds like marriage

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Yep itÂ’s Friday hope you are all having fun sucking down a cold beer. Howie is jealous cept for I was off all one Indian summer day.

Thanks to Demosophist.
Vinnie.
Mike Pechar.
See-Dubya who also posts here.
Chris Short.
Traderrob.
The Dread Pundit Bluto.
Chad Evans.
Drew.
Richard.
Special new guest poster Jane from Armies of Liberation.

Surf em all post a comment I command you, pretty please.

I did have time to surf over to the bullpen Chad has info in the capture of a female candidate for Parliament in Iraq and her husband.

Pipe the shit right out of your town call the US for more info.

Centcom:Mosul, Iraq - By next spring, Al-Zharaa, a suburb of Mosul, will have a belowground, pipe-enclosed sewer system installed to replace the surface flow system operating today. Workers are digging the first 1.5 kilometers of trenches and pipe is pre-positioned to make this modernization a reality. The replacement system will bring improved sanitation and health conditions to more than 700,000 of Mosul's 1.5 million residents.

US helps Pakistan earthquake survivors.

Centcom: BAGRAM AIRFIELD, Afghanistan - Two C-130 Hercules flight crews left from here Oct. 29 and air dropped an estimated 50,000 pounds of humanitarian supplies to victims of the Oct. 8 earthquake in Pakistan. Fourteen container delivery system bundles filled with food, water, shelter and supplies descended on people below in need of the items made available.

Hey Filthy whatÂ’s for supper?

Not good.

Good.

Confirmation hearings for Judge Alito continue in blogosphere. If he passes muster he will be sent on to the Senate. It appears he will make it.

John Cole says what needs to be said but just is not being said which is something like what I said once about Casey Jones but now I can say see told you so but in a nice way you know.

New space Race? Why does the US need to go to the Moon and Mars? Well cause they will and who gets the best spot is a simple function of who gets there first.

I saw one of these yesterday at 5:45 CST on north horizon Central US good one too tumbling, brighter, dimmer, cool hope you saw it too

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(Sacramento, California) In an effort to translate ogling into support for a political cause, an anti-war group is seeking court protection.

From the SacBee.com:

Mendocino County women who have been baring their breasts at various venues to protest the war in Iraq are in Sacramento federal court seeking an order prohibiting the California Highway Patrol from arresting them during a planned noon demonstration Monday at the Capitol.

The women's group, Breasts Not Bombs, is suing CHP Commissioner Mike Brown and two of his officers over a warning that if the women demonstrate while topless, they will be arrested and charged with indecent exposure and disorderly conduct.

The group claims it also was warned by the CHP that if its members are convicted of indecent exposure they may have to register as sex offenders.

And, it's probably true that many guys would show up to look but that doesn't mean they'll listen. However, when many people show up, the media follows and it becomes a news story, even though nobody was listening.

U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. will rule on a temporary restraining order preventing the arrest of Breasts Not Bombs members.

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I will be heading to the hurricane disaster zone again this weekend to help with recovery efforts. Wish me luck.

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1 Good luck, Rusty, and don't work too hard! HaHa! See ya next week.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 10:13 AM (rUyw4)

2 Be sure and give Blanco/Nagin my regards....or not

Posted by: traderrob at November 04, 2005 11:17 AM (3al54)

3 good luck Doc...take care and stay safe

Posted by: THANOS35 at November 04, 2005 12:52 PM (ui4Ev)

4 which hurricane zone would that be ? there are soooo many choices

Posted by: john Ryan at November 04, 2005 01:51 PM (ads7K)

5 If you run into Bonnie Prince Charlie & his old lady tell them Hondo says "Hey"

Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 03:48 PM (ymtSt)

6 Yeah, "hurricane zone" really narrows it down. Good luck!

Posted by: Maureen at November 04, 2005 04:00 PM (ny5O/)

7 Rusty: I was at the industrial canal today to help out. The day ended being spent watching 9 New Orleans cops watch while a New Orleans police car was pulled from the industrial canal under the bridge on the north side of the lock. Crazy cop went around the barriers (because the bridge was in the up position) floored the cop car and went off the bridge at 80 MPH. Bridge was about 60 ft high. Unfortunately, two very brave and dedicated Coast Guard NCO's seen what happened and swam the canal, dived to the bottom and pulled the lame brain idiot out alive. New Orleans finest say he did it because he had a fight with his girl friend. This happened last tuesday night. WONDER WHY IT HASN'T HIT THE NEWS. Two heros save idiot in uniform and nothing in the news.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 08:43 PM (ZaAd/)

8 Wish to help. Go to the Mississippi Coast and forget about the fools is Orleans Parish.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 08:46 PM (ZaAd/)

9 best of luck watch your fingies

Posted by: Howie at November 04, 2005 08:55 PM (D3+20)

10 Cool, good luck down there, guy! And to all those people that are saying you're "showboating" and "blowing your own horn" with this announcement: Screw you guys. Rusty is a hero, and deserves our support and prayers!

Posted by: Marko at November 04, 2005 10:29 PM (FlRTs)

11 Marko: Rusty may not be blowing his own horn. But you are kissing his ass. Who says he is showboating? You must be a democrat.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 07:43 AM (ZaAd/)

12 I'm sorry, "greyrooster," but I'm unsure of what I've done to offend you... I was simply defending "Rusty." Nothing more. Why all the hostility? We're all friends here. And you haven't yet responded to my queries on the topic of Mukhtaran Bibi. Any time...

Posted by: Marko at November 05, 2005 04:36 PM (FlRTs)

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The Navy has steamed ahead of the pack:

Project Valour-IT, in memory of SFC William V. Ziegenfuss, provides voice-controlled software and laptop computers to wounded Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines recovering from hand and arm injuries or amputations at major military medical centers. Operating laptops by speaking into a microphone, our wounded heroes are able to send and receive messages from friends and loved ones, surf the 'Net, and communicate with buddies still in the field without having to press a key or move a mouse. The experience of CPT Charles "Chuck" Ziegenfuss, a partner in the project who suffered hand wounds while serving in Iraq, illustrates how important this voice-controlled software can be to a wounded servicemember's recovery.

To join a team, or to view the running totals from all four service branch teams, click on this link.

Thanks everyone who's donated! Thanks in advance to those who will!

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As many people already know California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has been trying to pull California out of its socialist downfall and that is more apparent when you look at the decisions that Californians will be making on 8 Nov 2005.

I'm not even going to try to dabble into the world of California politics so I'm going to ask you to visit the quintessential blog on California politics; California Conservative.

As a matter of fact, there is a must read article and a must participant event at California Conservative that I'd like to share with the readers here:

MUST READ: November 8th: CaliforniaÂ’s Special Election and Gov. SchwarzeneggerÂ’s Initiatives

MUST PARTICIPATE: "Carnival of Arnold" #1

Now set course for a truly enlightening experience.

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1 Ahnold wants to be king. In interviews during his pumping up days, he said he dreamed of walking the earth as the "king of the world". He admires Hitler, because Hitler was a small man who became a "great man". His daddy was SS. He hates blacks and probably all non-Euros. And were going to amend our sacred U.S. Constitution so that this furiner can be king? This American says no. Arnold, you just don't fit in!

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 03, 2005 06:16 PM (TVaWo)

2 *we're

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 03, 2005 06:18 PM (TVaWo)

3 Arnold for President. My kind of guy. Screw the girly boys and vote for Arnold. The sissies are afraid of him. Arnold the second Teddy Roosevelt. Only bigger and better.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2005 06:26 PM (ZaAd/)

4 Screw America and vote for Ahnold. Rooster, you traitor to the U.S. Constiitution. I'll see you hang.

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 03, 2005 06:36 PM (TVaWo)

5 A guy my wife works with met Arnold at a rally, he's not that tall really, only about 6' but big across the shoulders. How tall was TR? California needs a few more years of him anyhow, you shouldda seen what a FuBar'D mess we had under the other weenie, and still continue to have under the Petit mal Legislatroons, and for example notice the St. Vitus' Senate minority dance at the National level only a slightly milder version of Le Dance Californiesque - part spastic crazy, part grotesque.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 03, 2005 07:26 PM (Lq/X7)

6 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

Posted by: Route Irish at November 03, 2005 07:49 PM (Eh9tH)

7 Traitor to the constitution??? I know who wrote the constitution and what they meant when they wrote it. The rules have been changed over and over by the liberal dogs. Anyone who places or votes for an anmendment a traitor to the constitution? Bullshit! Just more girlyboy retoric.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2005 08:05 PM (ZaAd/)

8 Uh, greg, you moron fucktard, his dad was a policeman, as the Simon Wiesenthal Center verified a few years ago. Besides, you love Hitler and hate the JOOOOOOOZ dontcha? Shouldn't that make you happy? May your death come quickly, last long, and be immesurably painful, you stupid leftard fuck.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 08:20 PM (0yYS2)

9 So Rooster, You're going to get down and grovel with the liberal dogs and mess up the U.S. Constitution some more? You're just a Republican Party hack. You don't know what patriotism means, you old, blind, billy goat.

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 03, 2005 08:23 PM (TVaWo)

10 Greg, you suck as a troll, you're just not smart enough. Why don't you go back to Europe where you can bugger underage boys some more, eh?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 10:24 PM (0yYS2)

11 Amazing how the liberal traitor changes (screw the girlyboys) to (screw America). I guess that means he is a girlyboy claiming to be an American.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 05:20 AM (ZaAd/)

12 "He hates blacks and probably all non-Euros." That's crap and you know it.

Posted by: Oyster at November 04, 2005 05:21 AM (YudAC)

13 KPFK/Pacifica interview with Robby Robinson who claims fellow bodybuilder Schwarzenegger repeatedly directed the term “nigger” at him. And we hear from San Jose Mercury News reporter who writes that while supporting anti-immigrant Proposition 187 Schwarzenegger himself violated the terms of his immigrant visa in the 1970s. [Includes transcript] Click here to read to full transcript http://www.democracy_now.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/15/1450243 take out the _

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 08:09 AM (TVaWo)

14 Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful and analytical comments. It is often amusing to see what choices of words people make in choosing their insults.

Posted by: john Ryan at November 04, 2005 09:29 AM (ads7K)

15 Uh, Greg, the reason we are on blogs is because we don't believe a damn thing the MSM has to say. So screw all your stupid liberal sources.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 10:00 AM (rUyw4)

16 This American says no. Menenzes was not an American. How his "ghost" can be American is a mystery. Oh, wait. He must have been naturalized by the Democrats so he can vote in the next election, along with all the other dead voters.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at November 04, 2005 11:12 AM (1j9aH)

17 Yeah, Arnie hate non-whites so much that he used more of them in his movies than anyone else. He had: *Ray Dawn Chong as his leading lady/love interest in Commando. *Rachel Ticotin as leading lady/love interest in Total Recall. *Maria Conchita Alonso, Jim Brown, and Yaphet Kotto in Running Man. *Carl Weathers and Elpidia Carrillo in Predator. *James Earl Jones in Conan the Barbarian. *Grace Jones in Conan the Destroyer. This list is from memory alone, and does not even count all the Asian actors who appear in his movies. One aspect of his movies is that minority actors more often than not play protagonists rather than antagonists; and their antagonist roles are not demeaning, but rather credible and realistic. Arnold is probably the most colorblind of any major star, which is why liberals hate him, he's more PC than they are. Sorry greg, you lose again.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 12:33 PM (0yYS2)

18 Impy, You're full of shit. Even the Drudge Report says it's true. XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2003 18:10:09 ET XXXXX SECOND BLACK BODYBUILDER CLAIMS SCHWARZENEGGER RACIST COMMENTS http://www.drudgereport.com/ar1.htm "At that point, I didn't think about money. I thought about the fame, about just being the greatest. I was dreaming about being some dictator of a country or some savior like Jesus . . . \ The full story on Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Self-proclaimed Wannabe Dictator Since we first researched Arnold and wrote the article below, even more amazing revelations have surfaced and then been confirmed concerning his frightening character. Here are just a few of the developments ?Fellow champion bodybuilders Robby Robinson and Rick Wayne have gone public about Arnold Schwarzenegger running around in front of huge crowds at bodybuilding meetings screaming, "'Down with the blacks, niggers this and blacks that..." (click here for related article) In a 1976 interview for Rolling Stone magazine, Arnold said he dreamed of being a dictator and controlling large groups of people. (Click here for related article) Now ABC News is reporting that Arnold wrote in his 1975 book proposal for Pumping Iron, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. "I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it." He went on to say that he would have liked to be..."like Hitler in the Nuremberg stadium and have all those people scream at you and just being total agreement whatever you say." ?(click here for related article) We've also discovered that Schwarzenegger is in the private porn photo collection of infamous Robert Mapelthorpe. (click here for related article) Schwarzenegger admits that the allegations by women of his out-of-control groping frenzies are true. Arnold Schwarzenegger is obviously an unstable megalomaniac, psychologically unsuitable to be trusted with the most basic or jobs, much less running the world's 5th largest economy. People need to know the truth about Arnold. Out of the tragedy that is Arnold's candidacy, some good can be gleaned. I can think of no better example of the Republican Party showing themselves as the Neo-con whores that they are. Arnold is diametrically opposed, in his actions and his policies, to every traditional American value in history, and he is being given massive endorsements from the George W. Bushes and Sean Hannitys of the world. Please help us get the truth out about Arnold by emailing this article to friends, family and the media. The establishment press has really been soft-pedaling Arnold's obvious mental illness. It's up to the grassroots to get the real story out about this would-be dictator. Please spread the word. http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/exclusive_arnold.htm

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 12:57 PM (TVaWo)

19 Impy, My facts, against your memory. You lose again, dumbshit.

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 12:59 PM (TVaWo)

20 Sorry you fucktard child molester, but allegations do not equate to facts. And as for my memory, just check the cast lists of Arnie's movies, and go the Simon Wiesenthal Center website... oh, sorry, you can't go there, because they're JOOOOOOOS!!! You are a disgusting neo-nazi pedophile, and the sooner you die horribly the better off the world will be.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 04:32 PM (0yYS2)

21 Gimpy, Please double your medications, immediately!

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 05:13 PM (TVaWo)

22 Oh my, that really stung! NOT! Heh. What a pathetic loser.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 07:35 PM (0yYS2)

23 If what Greg the girlyboy traitor claims is true. Arnolds got my vote. Like I said before my kind of guy.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 09:34 PM (ZaAd/)

24 Greg starts out with people like Gary North and Alex Jones and if we STILL don't buy it, he pops out with DRUDGE! And since that's our "Bible" and all, we're suppose to say, "Oooooh - why didn't you SAY SO?!"

Posted by: Oyster at November 05, 2005 07:27 PM (YudAC)

25 Arnold called a black weight lifter a nigger. Why not? I he was one. Blacks call each other niggers all the time. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FAIR PLAY? Unfair, unfair. Blacks get to call blacks nigger and whites don't. Unfair, unfair. While on the subject why is it okay to celebrate being black but to celebrate being white is racist? You can celebrate being black. You can celebrate being Indian. You can celebrate being Eskimo. You can celebrate being Mexican. But to celebrate being White? My God, that's racist! What if there was a White caucus in government. Or my God! A white policeman's association. Burn, riot, cry, piss and moan. Racist, Racist, Racist. Wake up white folks. You're taking a lot of shit you don't deserve.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 11:46 PM (ZaAd/)

26 And if you don't wake up. France is a good example.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2005 10:04 PM (ZaAd/)

27 I can envision Arnold sitting down at the table with the French President. The name calling begins and Arnold reaches across the table, with one hand and chokes the crap out of the frog.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2005 10:08 PM (ZaAd/)

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You may remember our reader love mail the other day. Part of the quote read as follows.

NO RAPEING OCCURED SINCE THE BEGGINING OF THE CALIPHATE TILL THE END IN 1924 NOT ONE RAPE IN SOCIETY NOWADAYS WOMEN GET RAPED EVRY 2 MINS.

So how is it possible that no rapes occurred under the Caliphate. So is Sharia law so good that it just stops rape from happening or is there some other reasonÂ…

NPR :Mukhtar Bibi was raped on the orders of a village council in Pakistan, after her younger brother was accused of making advances toward a woman from a powerful tribe. Mukhtar has since become an outspoken critic of the violence and discrimination in her country, and visits Washington this week.

Ok now see how this works? NPR goes to great trouble to avoid calling these “village Councils” Sharia law but we know. The shame is that when talking about Darfur a few weeks ago NPR got it right. Well they never said it but the subject of the interview did. Come on just tell is like it is. If it’s Sharia and it’s true you are not giving Islam a black eye, Isalm is giving Islam a black eye. In their eyes it's always the woman’s fault men are not held responsible for being cowardly criminal rapists.

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1 We shouldn't judge an entire group by the actions of some. After all, it's 99% of muslims that give the other 1% a bad name.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 03, 2005 04:36 PM (0yYS2)

2 These jihad Caliphate dumn asses are nothing but liars. The Caliphate had a policy of rape whenever any new territory was conquered by the Muslims. Of course, since the women happened to be Christian, Hindu, Buddist or any other religion the jihadists were not considered under Muslim law to have raped anyone. Rape is one of the tools used by these jihadist bastards in their wars against the West and the Far East. That is why Scandanavian women are now being raped in large number by Muslim immigrants. But because these women are not Islamic, then the Muslims say no rape has occurred. As a matter of fact, when the bastard Mohammed murdered the Jews in Medina, he raped the wife of the leader of the Jews. So Mohammed is not only a pedephile, but a rapist as well. Look at what is going on in the Darfur region of the Sudan, and tell me whether rape is being used as a tool for war by the jihadists. I getting like IM now, I hope these bastards start something here.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2005 04:38 PM (rUyw4)

3 True IM I see your point. However JJ has a great point here. I've not time to surf up the NPR Darfur story but it was good. Musharriff even comes up looking bad here jsut fromt he culture. I can't see why the left does not scream about it every day they are supposed to be all into civil rights and womens rights. We have a few girls on the site here so here we go. Also I'm whatever the percent is the good needs to speak out against the bad. Darfur, Northern Pakistan, Al-Qaeda. JJ is right on my point this guy claims no rapes but under Sharia it's hardly an objective or accurate statement. In darfur first they kill all the men in the village so no male witnesses when next week they come back and do the rapin. So now the only witness the women have are the rapists themselves fat chance for justtice there eh. This woman was handed over so her side does not get to witness the rape. Plus likeI said they just don't define rape as we do. Kufar rape = not rape. Rape as punishment not = rape. 3 wintenesses not = rape. Medical eveidence + 2 witnesses no rape. It's not a complex thing with just a litte attention to what the rules of Sharia are and by watching Darfur and this case it's apparent to any one.

Posted by: Howie at November 03, 2005 04:50 PM (D3+20)

4 The other part that gets me is that only hard right wingers see the evil of the Islamofacists. I'm not that way. I think the greatest hope is that the Arab world will wake up some day. I just don't see how the left can spend all it's time attacking the war and live with itself. How can you be all for rights and peace when obviously the islamofacists are not and could care less. So I'm middle of the road on most things. I'm conservative on fed power and spending. I'm all for rights but I would never be for the right of the islamofacists to rule the world it sounds as far out a some of gregs stuff unreal hard to believe. But here is a left althought they just can't say it pointing out what we all know. If I thought for one minute that Al-Qaeda would stop if we did I'd be all for packing it up. But I don;t think that's the case. In fact Iraq may get better but Iran and Syria and the rest it may get much worse. Oh one other thing when my country goes to war I expect the citizens to participate in winning. If DICK see's a problem he is a Senator he can march right up to the Oval office and bitch Bush right up one side and down the other no problems with that here. But when the press and the left are doing as they have done. it just burns me. America had best wake up and start pulling you don't win this war becuase we are just us. You win by working your ass off. The enemy has a 200 year plan counting on we will get all distracted and self absorbed and will do ourselves in. I wish I could say that's untrue but god it won;t be this middle of the road Republican swing voter that turns on his own country no matter what's wrong with it.

Posted by: Howie at November 03, 2005 05:03 PM (D3+20)

5 Most muslims are to busy raping little boys to worry about women. Besides a woman can whip the average wog.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2005 06:31 PM (ZaAd/)

6 Shari'a Judge: Ahmed, you are accused of rape. What say you? Ahmed: The strumpet tempted me with her succulent zinaat! Shari'a Judge: Yes, it is clear for all to see that her burqah is cut tight across the buttocks. Succubus! We shall have the salacious tart stoned!

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 03, 2005 08:06 PM (RHG+K)

7 A muslim worrying about women. Ha! Yea sure.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2005 08:08 PM (ZaAd/)

8 So why aren't we doing anything to help the christians in Dafur ? Why is it that we are sending Sudan 1 to 2 billion over the next 12 months. Because the muslim government in Khartoum are our "friends" and support our efforts in the war on terror.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44629-2005Apr11.html oh yes and also because of the oil there. "why isn't the left ........" who the hell cares why the left is or isn't doing whatever ! WE are in control of the government WE should be doing more to stop all that c**p The muslims have the oil and we are addicted to it. Sudan pumps about 1 million barrels a day thru its one pipeline Turn that off and see how fast things change there.

Posted by: john Ryan at November 03, 2005 11:11 PM (ads7K)

9 You "know" it's shariah law? Sorry, but it was local tribal custom that condemned Mukhtaran Bibi to be raped, not sharia law. Muslim or Hindu, these events are unfortunately common among the tribes there. That's Rajasthan for you. The rape was actually denounced by the local imam, and it was he who convinced the family to bring charges against the rapists. So I guess you owe this imam, Moulvi Abdul Razzaq, a heartfelt "thank you" for bringing this event to your attention, eh? How *excited* you must have been, to learn that Muslims had perpetrated yet another crime! I mean, it's almost worth a few beheadings here, a rape or two there... just for that feeling of orgasmic satisfaction that you can feel upon hearing such news. Better than sex! Isn't it? What it must be like to be so full of blind racist hatred that even the simplest of facts are obscured to you... You people have my pity. Go ahead, now, and say "Religion of peace, indeed!" or "fucking islamofascists you gunna be a pile of glass oooooorrraahhh!!!" Watching you people parrot the same phrases over and over and over never gets old.

Posted by: Marko at November 03, 2005 11:13 PM (FlRTs)

10 Oh, God... It's not *Christians* that are being killed in Darfur. It's *Muslims.* Look it up. And, yes, you've just been caught caring about Muslims! Bwahahahaha!!!

Posted by: Marko at November 03, 2005 11:16 PM (FlRTs)

11 Those Mongols must've been excellent rulers to make the most powerful empire of that time last many many centuries and prevent it's citizens from doing crime. Guess senseless slaughter of their own followed by a barbarian overlord feared on 3-4 continents are the things that get Muslims to behave. Suddenly Bush seems logical, but he became ridiculous instead of feared... At least on 6 continents, haven't heard anything from the penguins on Antarctica, they might be crapping their feathers because of Bushes plan to melt their homeland.

Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 03:01 AM (cWMi4)

12 Just about every conscious human in the free world knows about Islamic suicide bombers, train bombers, and night club bombers. Everyone knows that Muslims flying large commercial planes crashed into the World Trade Center buildings and the Pentagon on 9/11. Those are the actions of the obvious terrorist side of Islam. It is interesting that those Islamics committing these heinous acts believe absolutely that the Quran orders them to do these things to achieve Mohammed’s plan of Islam dominating the world. Yet, all the world hears is the plea from Muslims to understand that Islam is a religion of peace and love. If that is so, does this mean that Islamics who are terrorists use a Quran that is different from the “peaceful” Muslim’s Quran? Does the fact that there is no one central power controlling Islam and giving one definitive translation or explanation for passages from the Quran that causes seemingly diverse interpretations of the Quran? Unless one is willing to look around at what else Islamics have been doing around the world besides blowing people to bits, the uninformed might believe the Islam really is a religion of peace and love, cursed with a few “bad apples.” “Peaceful Islam” has been just as busy as the terror wing. Large numbers of Arab-Muslims have immigrated all over the world. European countries are alarmed at the number of Muslims within their borders. The attack on America was like a fire-bell ringing, waking other countries up to the growing masses of Muslims in their midst. It was noticed that these Muslims made no effort to blend in with the local population. Instead, Muslims banded together, taking over neighborhoods and eventually driving out the non-Muslims. Any acceptance of the local culture and customs was strongly discouraged and often severely punished. These Muslim neighborhoods set up their own legal system of Islamic law, ignoring the laws of the land. Immigrants were encouraged to have very large families to form huge voting blocks to maneuver Muslims into positions of power within the government. Islam in Africa has been much bolder in the power grab of third world countries with uneducated and poor citizens often living under corrupt governments. Again, large numbers of Muslims would move into a country such as Nigeria and Sudan. Slowly growing in numbers, Muslims would either create a majority to take control of the government via a legal vote as in Nigeria, or by genocide as in Sudan. In tiny Rwanda, Islam used the war between the Hutu and the Tutsi tribes to convince those fleeing the carnage that Islam would protect them if they converted to Islam, and many converted to stay alive. Islam is now the majority in many African countries and in control of several governments. Whether by persuasion, reproduction, or mass murder, Islam is slowly taking control of the African continent. Not satisfied with Africa, Islam has moved swiftly into Asia. The terror arm of Islam has been busy in places like Bali reminding the local population that catering to Western infidels is dangerous business. Both Australia and Canada have had to fend off Islamic attempts to remove Muslim communities from the laws of the land and allow Sharia Law to govern the Muslim population in matters of divorce, marriage, and inheritance. Power grabs in strongly democratic countries has proven to be more of a challenge for Islam and it has regrouped to try again, this time, dropping the words, “Sharia Law” from their submissions for change that would place Islam in control of Muslim communities within democratic countries. The term “Islamic Sharia Law” has become well known and closely associated with the oppression within Islam and the wide disparity between the rights of Muslim men and women. Western cultures want nothing to do with a 7th century view of justice where hands and feet are chopped off and young women who are raped are forced to produce three male witnesses to the crime or be judged as adulterers. Public execution in the form of stoning does not have much support in a democracy. Many Islamic leaders state emphatically that Islam and democracy cannot co-exist. Muslims are expected to have only one master and that master is Islam. Islam dictates every aspect of their lives from birth to death. In America, Islam has had trouble gaining a real foothold. But Islam’s dictation to American Muslims is the same as illustrated by Omar Ahmad, the Council on American/Islamic Relation’s spokesman, when he publicly stated: "Those {Muslims} who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam...Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." In an effort to keep American Muslims under the total control of Islam, the Saudi Arabians have spent billions of dollars building mosques and Islamic schools so that Muslim children can be instructed in the strict laws of Islam. For decades, no one paid much attention to what was being taught in those Saudi-funded schools. Perhaps two generations of American Muslims were taught that Muslims are to be loyal to no country, only Islam. These children were taught that Christians and Jews were the enemy. They were taught that only Islam will dictate how they will live their lives. American children were being brainwashed right under our collective noses. Because of that, American Muslims are often torn between country and Islam and there is no way to know which force will win in the end. Islam has not grown in America as it has in Europe or Africa because of the strong Christian influence and democracy, so Imams and Muslim clerics were dispatched to the prison system to scoop up the disillusioned and those in need of something to belong to that claimed it would care about them and for them. In the general population, Islam has a tendency to attract those in need of someone to tell them how to live their lives while assuring them that their lives will be better. It’s unfortunate that people don’t remember the old saying, “If something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t.” This is a perfect description of Islam. When convincing people to convert, only the loving side of Islam shows itself. It isn’t until it’s too late that people become aware of the dark side of Islam. Islam is a shell game. Assisted by the “if it bleeds, it leads” motto of the media, Islam is able to keep the world’s attention on the terrorist attacks while “peaceful Islam” quietly goes about the business of taking over entire countries and working its way into the fabric of the legal and governmental systems of others. American Muslims are now petitioning that the call to prayer be blasted over loud speakers five times a day in quiet neighborhoods and towns. This is Islam’s next step in using democracy to destroy democracy. Always on the move, the quiet side of Islam is every bit as dangerous as the terrorists. The goals are the same, only the method varies. About the Writer: Barbara J. Stock is a registered nurse who enjoys writing about politics and current events. She has a website at http://www.republicanandproud.com/

Posted by: Razor at November 04, 2005 05:11 AM (ywZa8)

13 Whow Razor. Heavy and true. Marko: You're right, we don't give a damn about the muslims. Can you think of a reason why? Friggin idiot.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 05:26 AM (ZaAd/)

14 Barbara Stock speaks the utter truth without flambouyancy or bias. Just the facts. Not one word of it can be denied.

Posted by: Oyster at November 04, 2005 06:40 AM (YudAC)

15 Muslim as a religion has had 600 years less time to develop than christianity. Anybody recall what christianity was like 500 years ago ? Anyone recall any similarities between the bible and the Quaran. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth burning witches etc ... When ANY religion moves too far to the right bad things happen.

Posted by: john Ryan at November 04, 2005 09:43 AM (ads7K)

16 Now John Ryan is an apologist for the Muslim jihadists. You are a sick man. And Christianity has never taught that you should kill the non-believers. Good God, man, can you read?

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 10:05 AM (rUyw4)

17 Maybe Catholic church wasn't Christian when it ordered heretics and Jews as well as all people who question the faith to be burned, drowned and hung as witches and demons...

Posted by: A Finn at November 04, 2005 10:52 AM (lGolT)

18 And an apologist also for christians ? Christianity has taught that it was necessary to kill non believers. It also taught to kill other christians whose beliefs were not considered proper doctrine. How long in our country"s past were catholics considered "Papists". Were not catholics considered to be as evil as blacks and jews by the right wing christian KKK ? Jesuslandjoe can you read ?http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=2&id=351579 http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3181941?rss I try to be equally critical of all who I see doing evil. Does the left or the right pontificate more on the lack of rights for women ? Well certainly, in muslim, countries neither do much....... if there is oil around. Right wing "islamofascits" seem to be acceptable to both as long as they keep that oil flowing.For myself I try to have only ONE moral standard: to which I hold everyone.

Posted by: john Ryan at November 04, 2005 10:55 AM (ads7K)

19 John, does the fact that Christians used to behave reprehensibly somehow make you feel better than one day soon you may be presented with the choice of converting to islam or getting your throat cut? I'm an atheist who used to be Christian, and I know all about the past crimes of Christians, but you know what? They're exactly that; in the past. Islam is currently the plague du jour, and I harbor little fear that the raving mad fundamentalist Southern Baptists up the road are going to come burn me out and hang me for heresy. I am an avowed atheist and will remain so until I die, but I will stand with the Christians and all civilized people against islam, now and forever.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 12:40 PM (0yYS2)

20 Actually John the word is HAD - and even at its worst many opposed and eventually changed that. But that doesn't seem to matter to you. OK! John you win - glass houses and all .. I don't care what muslims do to or treat their women. I don't care about female circumcision in other cultures. I don't care about slavery still alive and well around the world. I don't care about killing infidels or heretics - its none of my business (besides (love this argument) "they've been killing each other for thousands of years". and on and on and on But please John - don't come back later with some cause you do care about and EXPECT others to embrace or even give a fuck. Don't show me some picture of starving babies in say Dafur - feed them - to the lions! your last line is funny!!! ONE MORAL STANDARD you hold for eveybody???? Isn't that the ultimate contradiction for a Moral Relativist!!!

Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 12:46 PM (ymtSt)

21 John Ryan, Quote me some scripture in the New Testament that orders its adherants to kill anyone just because they do not believe in Christ. None exists and you know it. Did some people do the things you claim? Yes, but they could not honestly claim that they were supported by scripture. So much for your argument. Evil men have always existed. How about Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Ami, etc.? I could go on and on, but I made my point. And your standard is that of any other liberal. One set of rules for me and another set for everyone else. It's called hypocrisy.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 04:00 PM (rUyw4)

22 Thanks for your input, "Greyrooster." I'm not at all clear as to which part of my post you were responding, but, hey, I'm glad that you can at least admit to being a racist... Awareness is the first step towards change, as they say. I wonder: How many of you actually KNOW a Muslim? Or even have met one? I mean, reading this and other so-called "conservative" blogs, I can only picture you people as fat, middle aged white men, living in a McMansion on a secluded all-white cul-de-sac, in a wealthy, mostly-white suburb, completely surrounded by people who look, think, act, eat, worship, breathe, fuck, and shit EXACTLY like you. Yeah, yeah, I know: You wouldn't want to hang with those mediaeval savage raghead monsters, anyhow. But how can you form a proper opinion when you're just sitting there in front of your computer, quite possibly nude, bouncing racial epithets off of your fellow fat, middle-aged white guys? Instead of another evening masturbating to Fox News (or is that part of the "MSM," too?), why not get off your big ol' pasty asses, get out of your big plastic house, and drive your big plastic car to a kebab joint. Sit down, clear the foam from your lips, smoke some shisha with the locals, and chill the fuck out. All that rage is bad for you. And I do care, honest.

Posted by: Marko at November 04, 2005 07:24 PM (FlRTs)

23 Wow, Marko, that's so... deep. Let me guess; you're about ninteen-ish, white, middle class, college student, liberal arts major, etc., right? Probably never been to more than say, half a dozen cities, and a couple of countries in your life, including possibly Canada, Mexico or France on your high school trip? Lived a good life in the suburbs, raging against your allowance to show your friends that your corporate parents don't control you? Like to go to raves and be a rebel, exactly like everyone you know? Belong to Greenpeace and voted for Kerry? Well as for me: Fat? No, but stocky at 5'8" and 200 lbs. of mostly (fairly) solid muscle and a little middle age spread. I figure what the hell though, it happens to the best of us. Middle aged? Does 37 count? White and male? Unashamedly so, unlike you, apparently. McMansion? Hmmm, does a two bedroom, two bath without a garage in a blue collar suburb count, with two gay guys living across the street and a black disabled Vietnam veteran on one side, and a single mother on the other, count? More like a Central Park mansion, (If you don't know what Central Park is, it's one of those drive-up, two-story burger shacks). My neighbors do not look like me, I don't inquire how they think, eat, or worship, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to know how the two across the street fuck, though you might be interested. (Wink, wink, say no more!) And I can type in the nude if I want to, and it's none of your goddamn business you pathetic little shit. This is America, after all. As far as hanging with those "mediaeval savages", I have spent time in Saudia Arabia and Iraq. I got to watch a man get beheaded in Jubail, and was invited to dinner with some nomads in Iraq, and they let me, as the honored guest, kill the sheep, so I'm guessing I know a little more about them than you do. I also shop at a Pakistani grocery and eat at a Lebanese falafel shop, a Jordanian deli, and a Palestinian burger joint regularly. Some are actually quite decent people, but these are generally a minorty, with most being either unfriendly or outright hostile. I have known and currently know infinitely more Middle Easterners and muslims than you ever will, so shut the fuck up you stupid little bootlicking dhimmi libtard sycophant. The sooner you and your kind are exterminated the better off the world will be. Now go fuck off and protest something little kiddie.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 04, 2005 07:59 PM (0yYS2)

24 Marko: Ever think that we tried all the silly bullshit you expound years before you thought of it. That is why we act like we do. I know them because I spent 3 years living with them. (if you call it living).

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 09:43 PM (ZaAd/)

25 Marko: This is the Jawa Report. You are a Jawa. So we report on what you say. And what you say is the same old muslim hugging shit we have heard for years. What's important is that Jawas don't count. Have you read Jawas explained? Top left side of blog. Read it. Then you will understand how we feel. If you don't like it. Leave and find a blog that agrees with your muslim ass kissing philosophy. JOHN RYAN: Now I know what Arnold means by girlyboy.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 09:54 PM (ZaAd/)

26 Hey, thanks for the advice, guy. That's great: I'm a Jawa! Oh, the joys of racist right-wing blog slang! (I hope George Lucas doesn't find out that you guys are using his trademarked alien names as a subtitute for "sand nigger," though) And I'm part of it!!! Hey, dude, say "Religion of Peace, my ass!" That would ROCK. So, what turned you into such a sad, racist old man, "Greyrooster?" I mean, I'm roughly the same age as "Imbprobulus Maximus," and I'm not horrible and bitter, and certainly not a racist. Are you overweight? Cul-de-sac, McMansion, all that? I want to help you, I do. But I need to understand you. What makes someone like you tick? Anyways, back to the topic: Did you even bother to read my first post on this topic? Please do. And explain to me how it's incorrect. As you're an expert on Rajasthani folk customs, I'm sure you'll have no problem putting me in my place. How was this the result of "sharia law," and not primitive tribal customs and clan rivalries? What evidence is there to support the "sharia" claim, other than that some guy in a tinfoil hat "knows" it? And how does pointing out glaring inaccuracies and outright lies in a blog post make me a "Muslim hugger?" (Sounds a bit like "nigger lover," no?) Please respont forthwith.

Posted by: Marko at November 04, 2005 10:18 PM (FlRTs)

27 "Muslim as a religion has had 600 years less time to develop than christianity." If the rest of the world, not just Christians, hadn't moved on to recognize human rights for ALL humans, I could understand the lack of enlightenment. But, no. Sorry, that doesn't pass the smell test.

Posted by: Oyster at November 05, 2005 09:35 AM (YudAC)

28 European Islamic Uprising The main stream press has again failed in its duty to inform the public of crucial facts that may one day make all the difference when hard decisions will have to me made. To lay the blame for the Paris Islamic uprising exclusively on a few unemployed disenfranchised youths of North African origins without mentioning the self imposed getto mentality that is the hallmark of Islam in the West is irresponsible and dangerous to say the least. If they (the press) are doing this in the mistaken belief that by exposing Islam for what it is, Inspiration and validation for the actions of the rioters will offend the Muslims. Then they have missed the point completely, the Muslims are already offended and have found everything we in the West have done since the 7th century offensive. As you know the uprising has spread to several cities outside of Paris and there are unconfirmed reports that cars have been torched in other countries with large Muslim minorities. Just as the Palestinian rock thrower has become the signature if their Intifada, I am inclined to think the torching of cars and schools will become the signature of the European Islamic uprising to be used every time the Muslim sensibilities are offended. I also feel that as the situation deteriorates, homicide bombings in Europe will become the norm as it is in Israel. If and when the French Government regains control of the situation, It's only going to be temporary unless they stop living in denial and start applying extreme politically incorrect solutions to this extreme situation. Failing that, something will inevitably offend the Muslims in the future and cars will be set ablaze again. "If they didn't come here, into our area, nothing would happen. If they come here it's to provoke us, so we provoke back." Paris Muslim complaining about the Police.

Posted by: Razor at November 05, 2005 06:08 PM (M7kiy)

29 Riots have now continued for eight days in and around Paris. Thursday night, November 3, Muslim rioters burned 315 cars. In the previous week, they torched 177 vehicles and burned numerous businesses, a post office, and two schools. They have rampaged through twenty towns and shot at police and firemen. In an episode that summed up the failure of France's efforts to create a domestic, domesticated Islam, when moderate Muslim leader Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris mosque, tried to restore calm, his car was pelted with stones and he had to rush away. The riots began on October 27 when two Muslim teenagers ran from police who were checking identification papers -- why they ran is as yet unclear. The police did not chase them, but evidently the teenagers thought they were being chased; they eventually hid in an electrical power sub-station, where they accidentally electrocuted themselves. That night young Muslims took to the streets for the first time, throwing rocks and bottles at police, burning cars, and vandalizing property. The next day rioters, throwing rocks, bottles, and Molotov cocktails, injured twenty-three police officers in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois. The violence continued over the next few days: more destroyed vehicles and injured police officers. Then on Sunday, October 30, a tear gas shell hit a mosque, further enraging local Muslims; French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy stated somewhat cryptically, "I am, of course, available to the imam of the Clichy mosque to let him have all the details in order to understand how and why a tear gas bomb was sent into this mosque." Since then the riots have continued unabated, defying appeals for calm from French President Jacques Chirac and others. The crisis now threatens to swamp the French government. Why have the riots happened? From many accounts one would think that the riots have been caused by France's failure to implement Marxism. "The unrest," AP explained, has highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor suburbs, with frustration simmering in the housing projects in areas marked by high unemployment, crime and poverty." Another AP story declared flatly that the riots were over "poor conditions in Paris-area housing projects." Reuters agreed with AP's attribution of all the unrest to economic injustice, and added in a suggestion of racism: "The unrest in the northern and eastern suburbs, heavily populated by North African and black African minorities, have been fuelled by frustration among youths in the area over their failure to get jobs and recognition in French society." Deutsche Presse Agentur called the high-rise public housing in the Paris suburbs "a long-time flashpoint of unemployment, crime and other social problems." One might get the impression from this that France is governed by top-hatted, cigar-smoking capitalists, building their fortunes on the backs of the poor, rather than by socialists and quasi-socialists who have actually strained the economy by spending huge amounts of money on health and welfare programs. Nor does the idea that the rioting has been caused by economic inequalities explain why Catholics and others who are poor in France have not joined the Muslims who are rioting. Of course, all the news agencies have either omitted or mentioned only in passing that the rioters are Muslims at all. The casual reader would not be able to escape the impression that what is happening in France is all about economics -- and race. The areas hardest hit by the riots, according to Reuters, are "home to North African and black African minorities that feel excluded from French society." AP shed some light on this feeling of exclusion: "the violence also cast doubt on the success of France's model of seeking to integrate its large immigrant community -- its Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe's largest -- by playing down differences between ethnic groups. Rather than feeling embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities." So evidently France's failure to live up to its policy of playing down the differences between ethnic groups has bred the simmering anger that has now boiled over in the riots. However, in fact France has done just the opposite of playing down the differences between ethnic groups. In her seminal Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, historian Bat Ye'or details a series of agreements between the European Union and the Arab League that guaranteed that Muslim immigrants in Europe would not be compelled in any way to adapt "to the customs of the host countries." On the contrary, the Euro-Arab Dialogue's Hamburg Symposium of 1983, to take just one of many examples, recommended that non-Muslim Europeans be made "more aware of the cultural background of migrants, by promoting cultural activities of the immigrant communities or 'supplying adequate information on the culture of the migrant communities in the school curricula.'" Not only that: "Access to the mass media had to be facilitated to the migrants in order to ensure 'regular information in their own language about their own culture as well as about the conditions of life in the host country."1 The European Union has implemented such recommendations for decades -- so far from playing down the differences between ethnic groups, they have instead stood by approvingly while immigrants formed non-assimilated Islamic enclaves within Europe. Indeed, as Bat Ye'or demonstrates, they have assured the Arab League in multiple agreements that they would aid in the creation and maintenance of such enclaves. Ignorance of the jihad ideology among European officials has allowed that ideology to spread in those enclaves, unchecked until relatively recently. Consequently, among a generation of Muslims born in Europe, significant numbers have nothing but contempt and disdain for their native lands, and allegiance only to the Muslim umma and the lands of their parents' birth. Those who continue to arrive in Europe from Muslim countries are encouraged by the isolation, self-imposed and other-abetted, of the Islamic communities in Europe to hold to the same attitudes. The Arab European League, a Muslim advocacy group operating in Belgium and the Netherlands, states as part of its "vision and philosophy" that "we believe in a multicultural society as a social and political model where different cultures coexist with equal rights under the law." It strongly rejects for Muslims any idea of assimilation or integration into European societies: "We do not want to assimilate and we do not want to be stuck somewhere in the middle. We want to foster our own identity and culture while being law abiding and worthy citizens of the countries where we live. In order to achieve that it is imperative for us to teach our children the Arabic language and history and the Islamic faith. We will resist any attempt to strip us of our right to our own cultural and religious identity, as we believe it is one of the most fundamental human rights." AEL founder Dyab Abou Jahjah, who was himself arrested in November 2002 and charged with inciting Muslims in Antwerp to riot (Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said that the AEL was "trying to terrorize the city"2), has declared: "Assimilation is cultural rape. It means renouncing your identity, becoming like the others." He implied that European Muslims had a right to bring the ideology of jihad and Sharia to Europe, complaining that in Europe "I could still eat certain dishes from the Middle East, but I cannot have certain thoughts that are based on ideologies and ideas from the Middle East." What kind of ideologies? Perhaps Hani Ramadan, grandson of Muslim Brotherhood founder Hasan Al-Banna and brother of the famed self-proclaimed moderate Muslim spokesman Tariq Ramadan, gave a hint when he defended the traditional Islamic Sharia punishment of stoning for adultery in the Paris journal Le Monde. In Denmark, politician Fatima Shah echoed the same sentiments in November 2004. That same month, filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, who had made a film, Submission, about the oppression of women by Islamic law, was murdered in Holland by a Muslim, Mohammed Bouyeri. Bouyeri later declared in court: "I did what I did purely out my beliefs. I want you to know that I acted out of conviction and not that I took his life because he was Dutch or because I was Moroccan and felt insulted." In other words, his problem was religious, not racial: Van Gogh had blasphemed Islam, and so according to Islamic law he had to die. Significantly, Bouyeri maintained during his trial that he did not recognize the authority of the Dutch court, but only of the law of Islam. How many European Muslims share the sentiments of Mohammed Bouyeri? How many of these are rioting this week in Paris? Alleviating Muslim unemployment and poverty will not ultimately do anything to alter this rejection of European values by growing numbers of people who are only geographically Europeans. And the problem cannot be ignored. For France is not alone: Muslims in Århus, Denmark have also been rioting this week. And in France, Sarkozy recently revealed that this week's riots are just a particularly virulent flare-up of an ongoing pattern of violence: he told Le Monde that twenty to forty cars are set afire nightly in Paris' restive Muslim suburbs, and no fewer than nine thousand police cars have been stoned since the beginning of 2005. Blame for the riots in France has thus far focused on Sarkozy's tough talk about ending this violence. On October 19 he declared of the suburbs that "they have to be cleaned -- we're going to make them as clean as a whistle." Six days after this, Muslim protestors threw stones and bottles at him when he visited the suburb of Argenteuil. He has been roundly criticized for calling the rioters "scum"; one of them responded, "We're not scum. We're human beings, but we're neglected." However, as a solution the same man recommended only more neglect, saying of the Paris riot police: "If they didn't come here, into our area, nothing would happen. If they come here it's to provoke us, so we provoke back." Others complained of rough treatment they have received since 9/11 from police searching for terrorists: "It's the way they stop and search people, kneeing them between the legs as they put them up against the wall. They get students mixed up with the worst offenders, yet these young people have done nothing wrong." But of course, all these problems are exacerbated by the non-assimilation policy that both the French government and the Muslim population have for so long pursued: the rioters are part of a population that has never considered itself French. Nor do French officials seem able or willing to face that this is the core of their problem today. It is likely that the riots will result only in intensification of the problems that caused them: if French officials offer an accommodation to Muslims, it will probably result only in further intensification of the Islamic identity, often in its most radical manifestations, among French Muslims. The French response to the riots is likely to unfold along the lines of a decision by officials in Holland last May: they declined to ban a book called De weg van de Moslim (The Way of the Muslim), even though it calls for homosexuals to be thrown head first off tall buildings. The Amsterdam city council did not want to contravene "the freedom to express opinions." That decision is a small example of what the Paris riots demonstrate on a large scale: the abject failure of the multiculturalist philosophy that disparate groups can coexist within a nation without any idea that they must share at least some basic values. The French are paying the price today for blithely assuming that France could absorb a population holding values vastly different from that of the host population without negative consequences for either. That French officials show no sign, on the eighth day of the Paris riots, of recognizing that this clash of values is the heart of the problem only guarantees that before they will be able to say that their difficulties with their Muslim population are behind them, many more cars will be torched, many more buildings burned, and many more lives destroyed. By Robert Spencer FrontPageMagazine.com Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of five books, seven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World’s Fastest Growing Faith and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). He is also an Adjunct Fellow with the Free Congress Foundation

Posted by: Razor at November 05, 2005 06:14 PM (M7kiy)

30 Paris Islamic Uprising A solution perhaps? I think that it's time for the French military to ruthlessly crush this nonsense, their Govt should deport all immigrants of Islamic origin who have not been gainfully employed for the last year and detain French Muslim citizens until they have been re-educated and deemed suitable for full integration into a civilised society. Multi Culturism only works when the invited culture has something positive to add to society and through out history, Islam has repeatedly failed to pass the test.

Posted by: Razor at November 05, 2005 06:27 PM (M7kiy)

31 Hi, "Razor." Did you have anything to add, other than mindless copy-and-pastes? You know, anything actually related to the topic of Mukhtaran Bibi and brutal tribal customs in Rajasthan. If so, please share. Or were you just trying to drown out my criticism with a barrage of pre-chewed bologna? Nah...

Posted by: Marko at November 05, 2005 06:44 PM (FlRTs)

32 Marko: Nice comeback. Can't argue the facts? Attack the messenger. Here's a quick lesson, mkay? TRIBALISM IS PART AND PARCEL OF ISLAM. Thank you.

Posted by: Oyster at November 05, 2005 07:33 PM (YudAC)

33 Marko, If you dont see the authers credentials at the bottom of the post, I wrote it. I feel that its important that I post these unbiased articles because the mainstream apoligist politicaly correct press is obscuring the real issue, Islam is not coplatable with modern civilization. Never has and never will.

Posted by: Razor at November 05, 2005 08:14 PM (M7kiy)

34 Oh and Marko .... if you really want so badly to hijack a thread and demand that one address your concerns without regard to what the host started, it might be a good day to start your own blog.

Posted by: Oyster at November 05, 2005 08:21 PM (YudAC)

35 Oh, two of you! Let's start wiiiiiith... "Razor!" OK. Maybe I'm a bit dense, but where does it say that the article you copy-and-pasted was written by "Razor?" It says it was written by a Robert Spencer, for StormFront.org or something. Is that you? Is "Razor" just your stage name? Anyways, none of it has anything whatever to do with the topic of Mukhtaran Bibi, does it? Aaaaaand... "Oyster." Thanks for the words, and I value your input. We'll have to agree to disagree about whether or not I'm attempting to hijack the thread, I think. I can't really see how my actions could be so construed. After all, I'm the *only* one who's discussing the topic that "the host started," if you'd care to check. Also, you wrote, in stunning ALLCAPS, that "TRIBALISM IS PART AND PARCEL OF ISLAM." This isn't the point we're arguing, though I'm sure that would be an interesting debate. I was disputing "Howie's" assertion that NPR was whitewashing their story on Mukhtaran Bibi by saying that her rape was the result of "tribal custom," not "sharia law." And, in this, "Howie" is demonstrably incorrect. Read up on the story, in any source, and you'll see that I'm correct. Gang-rapes happen, in Muslim Rajasthan, in Hindu Rajasthan (Google "Bhanwari Devi," for some good srticles on that) and in Christian America. Such horrors are in no need of embellishment. But "Howie" claims that he "knows" it was "sharia law," KNOWS it. But what is his source? He has none. It's a prejudiced hunch, nothing more. It's horrible what happened to this woman, but skewing the facts so that they support his racist world views will not help her. Lastly, I will tell you once again: the gang-rape was condemned by the local imam, and it is because of this imam that the word got out about the rape, and that Mukhtaran Bibi is now a hero to millions. This woman has been gang raped, braved death threats, and more. Please don't taint her accomplishments with your vitriolic hatemongering.

Posted by: Marko at November 05, 2005 09:15 PM (HVTlt)

36 Marko: You seem to be drawn to the word nigger. Are you one? Or as you say. A sand nigger. Are they the same? Mukhtaran Bibi is now a hero to millions. Perhaps. But what about the other millions and millions of backward animals that agree with such bullshit. Quit making excuses for the inexcusable. Only Islam allows and breeds this shit. John Ryan brings up that muslims are behaving like Christians 600 years ago. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING LEFTARD. The scum bag muslims are 600 years behind. They produce nothing, they invent nothing, they achieve nothing. Everything a muslim country does that is progressive is copied from others. I doubt that the backward shits can even produce a light bulb. And if they did they would have to get the idea and machinery from others. The only thing Islam produces in pain, suffering and injustice. And Islam is the reason. In fact Islam is the reason they can't progress with the rest of the world.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 06, 2005 12:12 AM (ZaAd/)

37 Marko are you dense or what? If the authors name appears ot the botom portion of the post for example: By Robert Spencer or Barbara J. Stock, that means they wrote it and Posted by Razor means I posted it not wrote it. But just like a Muslim you obscure the issues getting stuck on minor details, while denying the real issues. ISLAM Futhermore if you are so concerned about copyright, you should go to the Muslim world where 95% of the worlds pirated eletronic media emminates and start an anti pirating campange.

Posted by: Razor at November 06, 2005 04:21 AM (M7kiy)

38 "Muslim as a religion has had 600 years less time to develop than christianity." Talk about a sorry excuse to explain IslamÂ’s penchant for mindless violence and backwardness. John RyanÂ’s explanation has help me put everything into perspective. I believe John is saying that, Islam is an inferior and defective product because they (Muslims) even after Allah having perfected religion for another 600 years before enslaving them with it, have not been able to evolve into the 21st century. In fact Islam hasnÂ’t evolved past the 7th century, when it was founded. Why is that? Muslim believe that the Koran is the word of Allah, verbatim as dictated to Mohammed the prophet. Therefore if itÂ’s the word of god it cannot be changed, debated or criticised (thatÂ’s in the Koran) under the penalty of death. So for Infidels and true Muslims, who are not hypocrites, every word must be obeyed or you are condemned to hell, and thus makes every word of it as relevant now as they were then. Therefore if Islam is still around in a thousand years it will still be as backward then as the day it was founded. If it were as simple as Johns simple minded explanation, Judaism which had a couple thousand of years head start would have a couple thousand years progress to show for it and that just isnÂ’t the case. I have nothing against Muslims, in fact I feel sorry for them. After all they are the first victims of Islam.

Posted by: Razor at November 06, 2005 05:15 AM (M7kiy)

39 Ah, what a beautiful morning! And what's this? "Greyrooster" AND "Razor?" Somebody loves me! But, as usual, the topic was barely mentioned, and my facts, untouchable as they are, still lay there, untouched. I guess that makes me right! Anywho, to respond: "Razor": Ah, so ignore those pesky details, and just paste regurgitated off-topic drivel. Anything to add ON-topic? "Greyrooster": Really? Only "Islam allows and breeds this shit?" So, what, all rapes are the work of Muslims? No gang rapes in St.Louis? Ah, you just mean over there, in Ragheadistan. So, what about the Hindus of Rajasthan? Did Islam make the high-caste Hindu thugs rape Bhanwari Devi? Oh, wait... You probably don't care for Hindus, either, right? My bad. Oh, and since you guys LOVE to copy-and-paste, I'll join in. Here's a one of my absolute faves from the Jawa Report. A little gem written by you, "greyrooster." "I seen a muslim piece of shit at wal-mart in St Louis today. Him and his ugly family wearing their stupid scarfs and ugly cloths. I wanted to punch his face to pieces so bad only my wife could contain me. This shit should not walk the streets of America. I know in my heart they are the enemy and will turn on us. Why the hell does this stupid liberal dipshit government allow the bastards to immigrate here. Look at the fucking mess they have caused in Europe. TIME TO GET DOWN AND LET THE ANIMALS KNOW THEY ARE NOT WELCOME HERE. And piss on the liberal ass kissing laws that caused this mess. I promise to do my part." Posted by greyrooster at October 2, 2005 08:52 PM First of all, beautiful prose, there. So, you saw a Muslim family, and your first reaction was to murder them? Fascinating! I can almost hear your great, pasty thighs quivering with rage! You show those dirty animals! Rats, they're like rats, I tell you! Bleeding this country dry! Guuuaaaagghhhhhhh!!!! But, you know... since you're so ready to "do your part," I've got a suggestion for you: Instead of waddling around a St. Louis Wal-Mart in an undersized golf shirt, fantasizing about murdering men in front of their children, why not head over to Iraq and fight these "animals" over there? I mean, you're obviously up for it. And your "wife" wouldn't be able to stop you there, oh no! You'd be able to kill whomever you pleased! Rivers of dirty Muslim blood! So... what's stopping you, guy? You promised!

Posted by: Marko at November 06, 2005 07:04 AM (hyf58)

40 There is evidence, however slight, that some Muslims do indeed attempt to move toward the same century that everyone else is in. It's part of the reason there are so many sects (as Christianity has). The problem is that there are those sects, Wahabism and Qtubism in particular, who use extreme violence to force others into their 7th century brand of Islam. You're only technically right, Marko, in saying that it was "primitive tribal customs and clan rivalries" but, as I gave you in ALL CAPS, much of it is part of sharia law. Punishment is exacted to diferent degrees according to how each sect interprets Sharia law. The difference is that it's extremely rare when punishment is meted out, and not to exact sharia law, that little if anything is ever done about it. What do you think the rapists will get for punishment? I've read too many accounts of women being mutilated, raped, burned to death, stoned, out right killed, you name it, and the perpetrators get 30 days in jail or a slap on the wrist. So far, Mukhtar Bibi is still waiting for justice. And the prime reason why is that a male dominated society is loathe to recognize her as equal in the eyes of the law. Sharia law. There are some American Muslims who say that sexual violence is not, nor has ever been, a legitimate means of punishment in Islam. The key phrase is "in Islam". Yet, it is specifically shown, time and time again in the Koran by Mohammed himself, that it was quite alright to do so in the conquest of other peoples. Had Mukhtar Bibi been anything other than a Muslim woman, this would never be known world-wide. And still, even being a Muslim woman, she can't get justice. These "tribal customs" evolve from Sharia law and Islamic doctrine, even if they aren't to the exact specifications related in the Koran. Hence, again, the many sects of Islam and their interpretaions of the Koran. I watched myself on Arabic TV (over the web) how an Imam sat there stone faced showing what size stick was appropriate for beating one's wife with. "This one is too small, this one too large, but this one is 'just right'." To put the emphasis on "tribal custom and clan rivalries" without reference to the fact that it's in deeply rooted Muslim communities, cities and countries is disingenuous.

Posted by: Oyster at November 06, 2005 07:50 AM (YudAC)

41 http://iqna.ir/NewsBodyDesc_en.asp?lang=en&ProdID=31880 Sudanese Priests Convert to Islam 10/20/2005 Some 65 priests from Southern Sudan embraced Islam, according Al Khabar newspaper. The inheritance law of Islam is the major factor that attracted them to Islam, said deputy secretary general of the Islamic Solidarity Organization. The number of people who embraced Islam in Sudan from 2003 until the end of 2004 reached 88,000. Training programs and religious classes were offered to the new converts for a period of one month. This helps the new believers to spread the message of Islam among their people. IINA (Marko, because you a little denser than your average tard everything above this line was written by a Muslim news agency. What follows was written by me.) In Southern Sudan where the Christian minority is afforded second class citizens status, as they are in all Muslim countries, the only way to break the cycle of servitude, poverty and discrimination is to convert to Islam. While there is usually no overt religious compulsion to convert Islam, as in someone putting a gun to their heads saying "you must become a Muslim". The reality is, wherever there are Muslim majorities, the political, legal and socioeconomic restriction placed on the infidel population under Muslim rule really gives them no choice but to convert if they have any hope of alleviating their undue hardships. Note that they claim that nearly 90 000 kafirs (filthy infidels) embraced Islam in less than a year. It must be really rough on the minorities there, also Muslims just love to brag about the numbers. Also note that you don't even have to have a clue what their religion is about, you convert they give you a month long course and if you want to change your mind, not a problem, you become a Apostate and them they can execute you. Lovely isn't it? And we in the west don't give a rats ass about it. Any comments?

Posted by: Razor at November 06, 2005 07:55 AM (6krEN)

42 Marko, excellent point about rape, but after consulting my copy of the New Testament over and over again, I still cant find any reference that condones rape in any context. For Christ sake, there isnÂ’t even a Jesus parable that come remotely close to endorsing that kind of behaviour. Perhaps I just have an outdated version, I am saying this because the version you seem to be using as a reference to condemn everyone other than Muslims has a Koranic twist to it. And it just wont do to have an outdated version of the word of God. Wait a minute. According to the Prophet Mohammed, Islam is the third and perfected revelation from God, Version 3.0 with no updates because its perfect. Using Gods word V 3.0, there is ample justification for raping , lying, cheating, assassination , war mongering, reneging on treaties, pedophilia, torture, genocide, discrimination, looting, terrorism and drinking camel urine. Marko, you have convinced me to convert to Islam, it has it all. After 10 years of satanic devil worship, I finally feel ready to join the major league. Marko, because you are easily confused, I wrote everything above this line.

Posted by: Razor at November 06, 2005 08:26 AM (6krEN)

43 What is it about these libtard losers like Marko, greg, and DSM, that makes them think that anyone gives a good flying damn about what they say? To Razor: we're glad to have you; you make more sense than most, so keep on posting, and don't let Marko's idiotarianism bother you, because when they pick you to snivel and whine at, then you know you've spoken the truth, and that just kills them.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 06, 2005 03:29 PM (0yYS2)

44 Marko you simple minded raghead. I'm to old to go to Iraq. I did serve in Vietnam. Mr father died in ww2. My son Scott is a Captain in the United States Marine Corps now serving his second term in Iraq. He and his men kills ragheads for me. So I don't need to go. But I would be glad to. Once again you little shit. You have no idea who you are talking to or about. As others have said. Who gives a shit about what you think. Jawas are to be shit upon. Not listened to. You and they are filth. Nothing more.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 06, 2005 09:25 PM (ZaAd/)

45 Peaceful Islam in Action Muslim Attacks Incite Violence in Niger State, Nigeria http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1360757.html

Posted by: Razor at November 07, 2005 04:29 PM (ywZa8)

46 Ooh, sorry about the absence, fellas. I was down in New Orleans, heroically gaping at the carnage. Good times, good times... So where where we? Ah yes... So, I'm really a bit disappointed. All I really wanted was for you guys to look into the true story of Mukhtaran Bibi, and perhaps learn to question your sources. Namely, Howie's ridiculous entry that is the source of this thread. Not by reading yet another racist op-ed piece, or some rubbish right-wing news article that tells you the story the way you, perversely, want it to be. But the simple, unvarnished truth, from multiple, truly unbiased sources, thousands of which are literally at your fingertips. But you didn't. I know you didn't. How? What am I, psychic? Nah: Throughout this thread, in several posts, I've intentionally included a big, fat, glaring ERROR. An error that anyone who'd actually read even a biased report on Mukhtaran Bibi would spot, and, naturally, call me on. But nothing. Not one of you did. So, boys, I must say: I'm disappointed in you. But a big old "Marko Rules!" iron-on patch to the first guy who find it! So... individual responses: "Oyster": I'm not saying that tribal brutality isn't deeply ingrained in many Muslim cultures. I would argue that, in the case of Mukhtaran Bibi, these are pre-Islamic traditions, as evidenced by the fact that the same practices are common to many of the tribal peoples in the region, regardless of religion. Of course there's nothing wrong with opposing insane Muslim tribal practices. But anyone who claims that this insanity is unique to Muslims is either deluded or dishonest. Poverty, neglect, and underdevelopment, coupled with a long, violent history (stretching into pre-Islamic times) as a regional borderland, are at the root of the problem here. These are the things holding the people there back, not Islam. We've got some fairly crazy-ass shit in the Bible, too. But we've learned to ignore much of it, for the most part. Why?The "Christian world" is relatively wealthy and well-educated, and our nations are generally much more stable than the poverty-wracked, colonial creations that are the nations of "Islamic world." But in places where the Christians are as poor and neglected as Mukhtaran Bibi's people, such as in a Brazilian favela, or even moderately poor, as in America's ghettoes, you see insane amounts of violence. By Christians, and NOT because of their faith, but because they are poor, hopeless, and pissed off about it. This is not a religious issue. We're not talking "terrorism" here. And yet, despite this being obvious, you continue to blame Islam for such violence. Why? Yeah, I get it: you guys hate Muslims. But are you insistent on being "set in your ways" that you've become completely incapable of learning? Why would you wish to remain so blind to the obvious truths? What would draw someone to inhabit a hateful place such as this? I mean, *I'm* here because this "blog" has an overtly racist bent, as do most of its posters, and I enjoy mocking and challenging such people. But who actually comes here for news? There is nothing here. Just hateful gloating followed by ape-like war whoops and back-patting. For instance, there are TONS of sensationalist posts about the so-called "immigrant" riots in Paris, which have caused exactly ONE death, but nothing about the much, much deadlier SECULAR (though Christian-led) riots in Ethiopia. Is this really the "unbiased" information you presumably crave? Is it really so interesting to huddle with masses of like-minded old men and crow about the latest violent headlines that validate your racist views? I think that many of you are capable of better (and, no, not Greyrooster), and I hope you'll learn to think for yourselves. "Razor": So, where does it condone rape in the Qur'an? Presumably, you've got a copy of that, too, since you're spouting off on the subject. Right? And thanks for more off-topic copy-and-pastes and links. "Improbulus Maximus": Finally! "Idiotarianism!" You've made my day. Please, PLEASE say something about the "MTM" or how I'm blaming the "Jooooooooooos." Ooh, ooh! Call me a "moonbat!" Mindless mimickry at it's best! "Greyrooster": So, you're too old and frail to go to Iraq? What, a bad-ass veteran like you can't just buy a ticket to Iraq, buy a gun (they're everywhere over there!), and teach those dirty Arabs a lesson, Rambo-style? I mean, you did "promise to do (your) part, no? Well, if not actual dangerous fighting, what would your "part" entail, then? Just prowling your local Wal-Mart, pimpled buttocks clenched in rage, one eye keeping watch for any uppity dune-coons with the termerity to cross your path, the other for any bargain American flag-print socks? Important work, indeed! But are you sure you're up to that, even? I mean, when you were planning to murder that Muslim man and his "ugly family," your frggin' "WIFE" was able to restrain you. And I imagine she's either some frail old gobbler or a malnourished Filipina mail-order slag. So, do you really think you have what it takes to kill some Arab dude in his fucking PRIME? I just can't picture it. Rather, I see you, on the floor, sobbing, clutching your ruptured colostomy bag like it's your mommy. Good luck, though, you big bad neo-Nazi, you.

Posted by: Marko at November 07, 2005 10:55 PM (4fLx9)

47 Marco, Of course I have a copy of the Koran. But not just any copy, I have an un-sanitized version that was translated and published before the Muslims realized that that it could actually be used against them by a filthy Kafir. Even better I have a copy of the hadiths (the Life Of Mohammed). I also have a copy of “Reliance of the Traveler” But you being a dumb ass probably don’t know what that’s about. Copy of Pact of Umar? Got that too. Copy of Ayatollah Khomeini’s Green book? Still looking for it. But its very interesting because it give the correct procedures for molesting little girls as young as 5 until they menstruate. By following these koranic procedures the girl is not considered damaged goods by Allah thus daddy can still charge full price for the dowry. I just love this Islam, it just get more depraved the deeper you look. First of all the Koran is a hodgepodge collection of “revelations” from Allah to the prophet that were assembled after his death. You need to have knowledge of the hadith to make any sense of it. Next the verses of the Koran is not even in the chronological order of their “revelations” That means that the earlier peaceful versus produced in Mecca at a time when Mohammed was still under the delusion that he could persuade Jews and Christians to embrace Islam were abrogated (cancelled) by the later in Medina, where he built his political and power base used it spread his “religion” by less than peaceful means. Now I believe I stated that the Koran gives ample justification for raping, lying, cheating, assassination, war mongering, reneging on treaties, pedophilia, torture, discrimination, looting, terrorism, and my personal favourite, DRINKING CAMEL URINE. But I find it very interesting that you do not contest any of these facts other than the rape. We know that the reason you didn’t contest it is, because its all true. Back to rape now. Koran 033.050 Read it, weep and swill back some of that camel urine Mohammed was so fond of.

Posted by: Razor at November 08, 2005 04:31 PM (M7kiy)

48 What the French Muslims want, They resent police searches for "sans-papiers" - illegal immigrants - and the constant threat of deportation hanging over them. They also want the right to vote, even for those without French citizenship. Many French Muslims demand more public recognition by the state, and resent the law which bans the wearing of Muslim headscarves. How the French Govt is dealing with it, The prime minister skirted round the highly sensitive issue of Islam, the religion of the great majority of the immigrants and their offspring. Proof that they (the French) still have their heads up their collective asses, Mr de Villepin said only that in France all faiths were respected. He acknowledged public concerns about the growth of radical Islamic thinking, but played down the urgency of the issue. I think I know how Churchill felt when he complained about Germany marching into Austria and Czechoslovakia and every one thought he was just paranoid.

Posted by: Razor at November 08, 2005 04:50 PM (M7kiy)

49 ISLAMIC RAPE Marco, from the Noble Koran and the Hadiths “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24). After one successful battle, Muhammad tells his men, “Go and take any slave girl.” He took one for himself also. After the notorious massacre of the Jewish Qurayzah tribe, he did it again. According to his earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad “went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for [the men of Banu Qurayza] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.” After killing “600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900,” the Prophet of Islam took one of the widows he had just made, Rayhana bint Amr, as another concubine. Emerging victorious in another battle, according to a generally accepted Islamic tradition, Muhammad’s men present him with an ethical question: “We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl [coitus interruptus] with them.” Muhammad told them: “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.’” When Muhammad says “it is better that you should not do it,” he’s referring to coitus interruptus, not to raping their captives. He takes that for granted. I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO FATHOM THAT HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN WHOSE HUSBAND, FATHER, BROTHER AND (OR) SON YOU JUST MURDERED WOULD BE CONSENSUAL. THEREFORE BY ANY STANDARD EXCEPT ISLAMIC, IT IS RAPE.

Posted by: Razor at November 09, 2005 03:36 AM (M7kiy)

50 Ok, Razor. Despite the fact that you copy-and-pasted your quotes from assorted holy books, rather than typed them out yourself, I'm willing to believe that you not only own these books, but have actually read them. Not owning a Qur'an myself, I'll even take your word for it that yout copy-and-paste is accurate. Thanks for the requested information! But, honestly, so what? We've got the same kind of justifications of rape and slavery in the Old Testament. As you said, the New Testament does not condone rape. But, perhaps more importantly, neither does it condemn it. I don't know about your ancestors, but if they were, like mine, Europeans, they were doing the same (and much worse) to their enemies around 600 CE. Pulling out before ejaculating in your rape victim was downright civilized by the standards of the 7th Century. But this is all besides the point. Yes, Muslim loonies justify their violent actions with crazy Qur'an quotes, just as Christian loonies justify their violent actions with crazy Bible quotes. I haven't denied that, have I? My point has been that Mukhtaran Bibi was not gang-raped as a result of "sharia law," and I have yet to be presented with any evidence that implies the contrary. Why? Because I'm right, and Howie was wrong. Disagree? Prove it. PS: And nice ALLCAPS, there, guy. I really felt like you were right here, yelling at me. Very effective!

Posted by: Marko at November 09, 2005 12:25 PM (MrdKC)

51 I don't know if Marko will see this. Furthermore, I don't care. It's really not for him anyway, but for myself and others. The charge that I "hate Muslims" is just that. A charge leveled toward me by someone who knows nothing about me. So let's just put that aside. It's a petty accusation not worth trying to prove or disprove. However, his attempt to "educate" me, because I'm just so dumb I don't understand that tribalism is older than Islam, is silly. And to imply, or use the premise, that Islam is only "incidental" to the issue at hand is fallacious. These people continue to use Islam as justification to keep barbarous tribal customs in place. I never said these customs are "unique" to Muslims. I will say that it is common for Muslims to use their religion to justify it. "These are the things holding the people there back, not Islam." Wrong. We can argue the merits of Islam all day, but when the most influential and powerful in the Islamic world use the religion to keep their "flock" in check, by dictating every aspect of their lives from what size stick to beat their wives with to which hand they wipe their asses with (all in the Quran) - from keeping them isolated from the "iniquities" of the world around them to instilling fear of retribution for arbitrary "crimes against Islam" - I'd say Islam is part of the problem. "We've got some fairly crazy-ass shit in the Bible, too. But we've learned to ignore much of it, for the most part. Why?The "Christian world" is relatively wealthy and well-educated,...." Wrong again. You have it backwards. They are relatively wealthy and well-educated because they ignore the "crazy-ass shit" and stopped allowing the "crazy-ass" Cristian rulers to dictate to them anymore. Regardless of what the Quran "says", it is the interpretation of it and those who enforce that interpretation that is the root cause of their "poverty, neglect, and underdevelopment". There is poverty, neglect, and underdevelopment all over the world. But take a look at it throughout Indonesia, most of North Africa, all over the Middle East, the ghettoes in France and other eastern European cities and countries, Bombay, Calcutta, and Delhi in India (I won't go on) and in each case you'll find Muslim majorities. This is not just coincindental. Being taught, from day one, not to mingle with, have dealings with or fraternize with the "unclean", "subhuman" infidel they seal their fate. For those unclean and subhuman people would gleefully exercize free trade with them, share discoveries with them and work together with them to solve issues of disease and poverty elsewhere in the world which, would help to pull them out of their own poverty. Bringing up conflict in Ethiopia and attributing it to Christians is irrelevant. However, their population of Christians and Muslims is about an even split and their conflict is largely a territorial one with Eritrea, not religious (even though that conflict has brought up some destabilization between the two religions). Read some of their history as Somalia comes into play here too. It's not that I'm "so blind to the obvious truths". The fact is that all over the world fundamentalist Muslims have declared war against "the west". Even many of those who are not active participants are supportive of the destruction of the west. Islam is the main focus of attention and much discussion for the most obvious of reasons - because "they" have made it the focus. Now ... try and go tell "them", the Imams, Mullahs, Shaikhs and tribal leaders that Islam has nothing to do with it. Yes, they'll talk about the evils of the west but they won't be able to discuss it without bringing Islam into it and the "ultimate goal".

Posted by: Oyster at November 13, 2005 07:13 AM (YudAC)

52 Despite the fact that you didnÂ’t respond to my post using cuneiform on a clay tablet, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you still have a few active brain cells. Copy and paste, its part of the 21st century. Get used to it. I find it appalling that you and a multitude of other so called free thinkers are defending the indefensible (Islam) without even having a cursory glance at the crap you are defending. By extension I am willing to bet that you donÂ’t even have a copy of the old testament to back up your nonsense about it condoning Koranic behaviour. And obviously you havenÂ’t read the new testament either. By the way my weekly grocery list doesnÂ’t condemn rape, so by your standards, I must condone it. Right? You still donÂ’t get it, Mohammed was not condemning rape, he was condemning pulling out before ejaculation because he needed more bastard children of Islam to carry on with Jihad in the way of Allah. You and a multitude of other drones are quick to say that the Koran is not alone; the Bible, the Old testament in particular, contains exhortations to violence. Even if this were true, its besides the point because it does nothing to explain why the world today is teeming with Muslim terrorist groups and not Christian ones. The difference is, people of all religions have committed mindless acts of violence in the name of their religion. But Islam has a long established tradition of interpreting the Koran to this end. And in fact demands it. Christian Martyrs meet their end by being persecuted unto death, while Islamic martyrs are homicide bombers. ThatÂ’s a big difference. Until you write back in cuneiform on a clay tablet, I will not acknowledge your posts.

Posted by: Razor at November 13, 2005 07:28 AM (M7kiy)

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Two more brave jihadi babyhunters have met Allah early when the carbomb they were building blew up unexpectedly. Unfortunately, the terrorists accidentally killed an innocent Iraqi in the process of removing their diseased DNA from the gene pool.

From a CENTCOM press release:

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Task Force Baghdad dispatched elements to the scene where two terrorists attempting to build a car bomb were killed when the device prematurely detonated in central Baghdad Nov. 2. Elements dispatched included an explosives ordnance disposal team and a patrol from 6th Squadron, 8th Calvary Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team.

The explosion also killed an Iraqi civilian and set a nearby house on fire. Iraqi firefighters responded to douse the flames.

The EOD team determined the terrorists had been building the vehicle-carried improvised explosive device using a 122 mm projectile, ball bearings and about 80 pounds of homemade explosives.

During a sweep of the house, the 6-8 Cav. Soldiers found another 122 mm projectile, five hand grenades, three A-47 assault rifles, an RPK machine gun and AK-47 magazines.

Troops from the 1st Battalion, 1st Brigade, 7th Iraqi Army Division and Coalition forces engaged a group of 15 terrorists armed with AK-47s and RPG launchers when their patrol was attacked. Troops killed several terrorists during the engagement.

A vehicle loaded with a cache of ordnance was discovered in the vicinity of the initial attack. An inventory produced one machine gun, two automatic rifles, two RPG launchers, over 1,200 rounds of various small arms ammunition, 10 propellant sticks, two license plates, three Iraqi Army uniforms and some documents.

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